to DJ Vox
date Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:03 PM
subject Chat with DJ Vox
10:03 PM me: LE needs no purpose for contact
hi, by the way
:)
10:04 PM DJ: http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/declassified/2010/04/16/atf-has-no-head-15-months-into-obama-presidency.html
NO WONDER these clowns are running around crazy
10:05 PM me: <--- reading link
DJ: Write your notes for me... I'll write the letter.
I've been thinking about it all day...
10:06 PM me: I know how to write, sweetheart. I just see no reason to. I am insignificant in the holy cloud that is LE. Writing or complaining is futile
DJ: "either your agents are sadly under trained about how to conduct an interview or the purpose of the contact was only to harass and intimidate... either way, you have a problem in your agency.
"
It is NOT FUTILE
10:07 PM me: I can't find a date on this article
10:08 PM what happened today was very scary to me, you know
10:09 PM please don't be upset with me that I see no point in resisting via socially acceptable means
DJ: 15 months has to be recent.
It just makes me crazy that there is some moron with a gun and a badge that either approved this crap or didn't stop it.
10:10 PM And you have nothing to loose by complaining.
But......
I'll shut up.
me: I asked my lawyer if this happening meant that one of the US attorneys agreed to prosecute me if they (ATF) came up with some charge....
DJ: Cops who over step their authority make me crazy.
me: he says "not necessarily"
10:11 PM DJ: Lawyer speak for "no"
me: Cops who overstep their authority make ME crazy.
DJ: you will never get a straight answer out of a lawyer.
me: my lawyer is awesome
he was the only hope I had when everything was falling apart
DJ: If they had anything they wouldn't have done this bullhsit... they didn't even interview you ...
me: he is helping me now even though he's not being paid
10:12 PM DJ: it was intimidation pure and simple..
me: define "interview" because I am unclear on that
I thought I knew...
but not so sure now
DJ: In a real investigative interview, you have a CHARGE that you are investigating.
me: so without a charge it is not an interview?
10:13 PM not ever?
DJ: you ask questions related to the charge you are trying to prove.
me: but...
DJ: Think for a moment.....
me: wait...
they don't have to tell me there is a charge
right?
Trent interviewed me without a charge
DJ: WHY would you talk to someone you suspect of a crime and not have questions ready that will lead to you getting them to tell you what they did or confess?
10:14 PM me: he spent four months trying to come up with something TO charge me with
DJ: Wait wait wait...
me: the ATF today kept asking what my motivation was for the blog
DJ: "charge" does not mean "charging" you with the crime..
"charge" in this context means the crime you are investigating.
10:15 PM Your motivation does not and cannot be a crime...
me: then they used the word "target" and when I used it, one of them said "oh, so you admit you were targeting"
DJ: Listen.....
IF they had a charge they could stick you with... they would already have a warrant... so lets assume they need more evidence.
10:16 PM me: I did ask them what the point of the visit was
DJ: one valid tactic is to interview you.
BUT... they didn't do that did they... you don't "interview" someone by showing up at their house and making like a bully...
10:17 PM You soft peddle it... make like mr nice guy.... "interview" is much nicer than "interrogation"
me: isn't saying you want to talk and having someone agree to it by definition an "interview"?
DJ: And "interrogate" is what you do to someone who's not willing to talk.... like someone who you have already charged.
informal like yes.
10:18 PM BUT....
just what did they gain?
And how would you present it.....
"I felt I was not free to leave" puts you into maranda territory.
and did anyone read you yoru rights?
me: but you guys are PAID TO LIE. so something an average person thinks is a non-threatening chat could constitute an interview
right?
DJ: It's hamfisted bullshit.
Ok... wait...
10:19 PM What good would it be to contact you and NOT say you are investigating so and so and we want to talk to you about it and get your side of the story...
Use logic.
me: that's what they did
I think
DJ: they got nothing
No they didn't
me: they told me they were here about John Stoltz and they wanted to hear what I had to say
10:20 PM they said they'd talked to no one else first
not on the task force that is
DJ: And the next time they show up without paper you tell them to shove off.
me: which I didn't necessarily buy
I can't tell them that!
DJ: Listen to me.
Listen very carefully.
IF they had paper you would be in jail right now...
so....
10:21 PM me: Once I realized I had to open the door, and that I would not be arrested...
I had to talk to them
it's in my nature
DJ: jesus...
listen to me
me: curiosity and all that jazz
DJ: YOU DID NOT HAVE TO OPEN THE DOOR>
and further..
you could have walked right past them and said "I don't want to talk to you and there is NOTHING they could have done.
me: if I didn't open the door I would not have known what was going on
but I didn't know that!
10:22 PM DJ: that's the problem.
I TOLD you that.
me: how am I to know that when I walked outside they wouldn't grab me?!
DJ: HE would have to say "I have a warrant for your arrest" before you would be compelled to open the door.
What difference would it make except your door would not be broken.
lets game this out...
10:23 PM IF they had a warrant they would have come in anyway..
and you'd go to jail..
If you opened the door and they had paper ....
you'd go to jail..
me: LEGALLY! gosh darn it, you are not getting it here. You assume they are doing what they are supposed to. I assume they would cut corners or do inappropriate things to take me down
DJ: If they didn't have paper.. as the clearly did not...
and you DIDN"T open the door...
they'd go away....
10:24 PM Ok... NO WHERE in this country does anyone get arrested without either a warrant or a magistrate.
Doesn't happen.
we are not in some third world where that happens.
me: stop for a second so I can respond to that without you missing what I say
DJ: go
me: ty
10:25 PM I do not think they would arrest me without going through the proper channels...
I do think they would do other things
which does happen every day in the good ol' USA
10:26 PM and I happen to know firsthand some of the rotten filthy disgusting things LE does to people
DJ: NOT with FOUR cars full of guys in suits.
to high profile.
that was your safety.
me: four guys in suits can easily say I threatened them...
everyone would beleive them
DJ: if you'd told me it was only one or two guys I'd have MADE you call the locals.
me: *typo
10:27 PM DJ: Anywa..
y
my point is...
todays little operation appears to have served no LAWFUL law enforcement purpose.
there is no logical way it can.
"we just wanted to talk to her" is not good enough.
10:28 PM When you do that you call and make an appointment.
me: well how do I find out who got the ball rolling on this?
DJ: "Can you come in and talk to us about this"
If they refuse THEN you go out there perhaps.
10:29 PM me: oh! they told my mother that they had pictures of me taking pictures of some officers house from inside the house
like I broke in
DJ: A letter to the head of the ATF stating that thsi happened and you want to know who was in charge so you can make a complaint. Notice is't not a complaint letter yet.
and FOIA might get involved or be mentioned.
10:30 PM Even a cop can't slander you.
me: letters to the very people responsible for this is no recourse
DJ: You could sue as it's not under the color of his authority.
No but letters to the BOSS are.
me: I can't sue
10:31 PM I don't have money or clout to sue
DJ: And when the guy that slandered you gets a law suit up his ass and his bosses tell him he's outof luck because it was not in policy to do so that works too.
me: your solutions are right for your kind of people
DJ: you don't have to sue.. you have to TELL him you are going to sue.
me: I am not your kind of people
DJ: Fine... let it lie.
me: now I'm about to cry here
:(
DJ: Sorry.
10:32 PM You can do good here and you just don't think so.
I hate badge heavy cops.
me: I am always going to be thought the villain never the superhero
DJ: Not true.
10:33 PM me: it's all right. some people are destined to be villains
I can't help it
and I can't change it
DJ: I can't go along with everything you've done but pointing out the dumb bullshit is hight on my like list.
10:34 PM me: all of it is dumb
and it did no good
it helped me recover sort of
DJ: I figured that much.
me: but that doesn't matter to anyone but me
10:35 PM DJ: Stop being so selfish.
there are people who care about you.
10:36 PM And don't hate me for not sugar coating things or holding back my opinions.
Friends give advice and i gave and give you the best I have.
me: and I appreciate it. I can't help that it makes me sad
10:37 PM DJ: I don't mean to add to it.
me: well now I'm all teary-eyed and my heart is pounding and...
this sucks
:(
DJ: because it's important.
They abused you.
Pisses me off.
10:38 PM Were you alright with the boss?
me: but I feel like you're taking it out on me and I don't think I did anything wrong
it's like being punished twice
DJ: I don't mean for you to take it that way.
I'd be totally satisfied if you'd just write up everything you can remember and stashed it somewhere.
but I'll shut up about it.
10:39 PM (oh.. and I wished youd left the door shut so they'd look like jack asses but I know you... you couldn't not open the door and refuse to learn what was up.... so I understand that part)
:)<<< me shutting up
10:40 PM me: did you at least like the blog post?
DJ: yes it was pretty good.
Proper tone.
me: what tone would that be?
DJ: "WTF GUYS!?"
10:41 PM particularly when you've TOLD them what they could do as in leaving you alone.
But we are talking about knuckle dragging feds
10:42 PM I've got a head ache now... you're crying an my head is splitting.. what a pair huh?
me: I like my FBI agent... and he's a fed
DJ: Like all agencies... I told you.. there are good people that carry all the rest.
10:43 PM me: take some ibuprofen
I'll get some tissues
DJ: More bourbon perhaps.
me: maybe that's why you're so prolific this evening
alcohol
DJ: Nothing a massive orgasm wouldn't cure either.
Prolific?
me?
10:44 PM me: orgasms do cure headaches
DJ: No.. it's because I'm flaming fucking pissed.
or give them... if they are good.
I've not had one of those in a long while.
close though.... ;)
me: you've not had a good orgasm in a while?
gee thanks
10:45 PM DJ: No no no no no..
me: cause I don't already feel like dirt
DJ: the head ache ones are different.
takes a particular situation.
We've just not had that yet.
me: what? like someone attractive and good in bed? yeah, I'm sure
DJ: Nooooooooooooooooooo
I have to be REALLY realaxed.....
10:46 PM me: it's okay. you don't have to explain
DJ: Not watching for shereff girl to show up any minute.
It'd be nicer if you just didn't take it as a slight but more like guidance.
10:47 PM did you not like when I told you how I liked your hand on me?
personally I like guidance.
me: take what as a slight?
DJ: That I've not gotten a head ache yet.
See there's Really good (which everytbingwith you has been_)
10:48 PM and there's "Geeze that mde my head hurt"
me: well find someone that makes your head hurt then
DJ: WHich you above all people could do.
Oh geeze will you STOP thaat!
me: or go back to the one who did
DJ: Fuck yuou are impossible to talk to some times. :P
10:49 PM GOD DAMN IT WOMAN.. you are the BEST I"VE EVER HAD
EVER
EVER EVER
and that's with me being nervous as fuck because I wanted things to be GOOD For you.
10:50 PM Don't you understand how things get better the more you are with someone?
me: no, I'm too stupid for that
considering I'm the one who made a point to say how well it went for our first time
DJ: I didn't want to tell you that because I figured you'd tell me I was bullshitting you.
10:51 PM me: and just because I don't bow down and say what you want to hear does not mean I am impossible to talk to
I am never impossible to talk to
DJ: But you always take things I say and find the WORST possible meaning.
And I asked you to try to not do that.
me: if you believe that, then that's on you
10:52 PM DJ: I don't want to have to watch what I say to you.
I don't think you'd want that.
me: you don't have to watch what you say to me... but I wish you'd quit ascribing motives and sentiments to me that I do not have
10:53 PM DJ: you make me crazy... But I still like you. (And I'm still here by the way...... did you notice that?)
me: how do I make you crazy? I didn't do ANYTHING.
Yes, I noticed you are still here
10:54 PM apparently to compare me to better sex
DJ: trying to keep up with you.... it's tough.
that mile a second brain.
the only time I catch up is those fleeting seconds when I scramble it. ;)
10:55 PM me: I think I am not going to let you do that anymore
DJ: I was just thinking.....
10:56 PM "she likes it and is scared of it at the same time so it probably conflicted..."
oops
"is"
No one has ever touched you like that..(and I'm not talking strictly physical)
10:57 PM I better shut up again or SHE"s going to clam up on me.
:-/
10:58 PM ^^^me shutting up again
me: I've decided it's better if we don't have serious or even remotely serious discussions
10:59 PM DJ: Ok so...
We are not going to talk.......
and we are not going to 'Not talk".....
What's left?
11:00 PM me: just keep it light and fluffy.
DJ: I'm working on getting lighter but I don't think I have it in my to do fluffy..
those fuzzy slippers would tickle my feet.
me: see? that kind of stuff? good.
11:01 PM DJ: You can't not have all that other stuff.
You'd get bored and toss me.
me: you're right... I can't. I'll just get it elsewhere
11:02 PM you will be fine for the fluffy and whatever
DJ: Great... I'm totally replacable.
me: I didn't say that
DJ: You can't GET me elsewhere.
And there is no ohter.
oops
11:03 PM :)<<<< GEN U INE ME... accept no subsitutes.
shit
can't even make a good joke without a terrible typo.
11:04 PM "terrible typo" ... I should copywrite that.
me: I might not have caught that one had you not drawn attention to it
DJ: So anyway............................
11:05 PM me: so anyway.... now I am not sure what to do with you
DJ: are you on your laptop?
me: no
DJ: is it hanty?
shit
handy?
me: why?
11:06 PM DJ: Look at the power supply when you get a chance and tell me how many watts it says it is.
me: where would I find that information?
DJ: All the printed specs on the side..
11:07 PM if it doesn't say watts it'll say something like "output 18v 1000ma" or some such.
11:08 PM And I could come up with plenty of suggestions for what you are to do with me.
me: uhm... dc19v=3.95a
?
DJ: Perfect :)
ty
11:09 PM me: yw?
why did you ask that?
11:10 PM DJ: Figuring on what size inverter you need .
11:11 PM me: why?
DJ: To GET one for you.
goof.
11:12 PM me: why would you do that? especially after I just said I don't know what to do with you
DJ: I don't care what you said about that.
You'll get over it.
I"ll exasperate you out of it.
11:13 PM Anyway.......
it's sleepy time.
I will talk to you in the am :)
me: okay. thanks again for being there for me this AM
11:14 PM DJ: Sorry I didn't do much but yell.
Glad I had the phonethough!
me: sorry I was panic-stricken
DJ: 'twas ok.
You were not so bad.
me: glad you had the "phonethough" too
DJ: :P
smart ass.
me: :D
11:15 PM DJ: I'll be not sleeping for a bit thinking about you.
me: hopefully good thoughts
DJ: always.
well...
and a few "not so good ;) )
11:16 PM "
you first.
me: speaking of... you need to resend a certain naughty text
since I don't have it to reread anymore
DJ: which one?
11:17 PM me: SAY IT!
11:19 PM DJ: And I will.
me: that's the one. thank you. ;)
DJ: Gmail was SO SLOW to search and send.
me: I liked what you sent after it too
I forgot since you sent all of it through email you have copies
11:20 PM DJ: I'll send anything you want.
me: then send the one after... the one about how's that for sharing
I reread them constantly
11:21 PM DJ: Hold a sec
me: well not constantly but very often
11:22 PM DJ: I should give you new ones then.
me: they give me things to consider
11:23 PM you know how I like that
DJ: good.
me: ;)
DJ: I do know.
I can't wait to pull your hair again ;)
me: ah, so we will see each other again according to you
DJ: Nothing's changed.
11:24 PM me: you've pulled my hair
that was a change
DJ: You liked it.
A lot.
me: I believe I would accept anything you'd care to do
11:25 PM DJ: Accepting and liking and desiring are different things.
You find things different with me.
But I understand that.
on that note..
I must go.
Tomorrow.
:)
me: :)
11:26 PM DJ: bye
me: bye
